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Title: Future of CWP?
Post by: Alexk92 on July 07, 2022, 07:38:41 AM
Hi everyone,
I am totally new to server administration and i was wondering what is going to be the future of CWP since CentOS 8 is EOL and with CentOS 7 reaching its end in 2024. I find CWP really handy and easy to use and work with, for this i want to invest my time and money on getting familiar with it in order to setup my VPS to host websites. But, if they are going to stop developing in 1.5 year then i find no reason to start with CPW in the first place. So, i was wondering if any of the veteran here has anything to suggest me on what to do with CWP i would be gratefull  :D.
Title: Re: Future of CWP?
Post by: studio4host on July 07, 2022, 06:18:41 PM
before some OS version reaches EOL there is a new version released the same was for centos 6, 7, 8
Title: Re: Future of CWP?
Post by: Shafire on July 07, 2022, 10:37:01 PM
Quote from: studio4host on July 07, 2022, 06:18:41 PM
before some OS version reaches EOL there is a new version released the same was for centos 6, 7, 8

Use cwp pro don't use the free version it's basically unusable for production sites. use centos 8 then convert to to centos 8 stream, seems to be what cwp wants everyone to do.
Title: Re: Future of CWP?
Post by: Martins-phpbb on July 07, 2022, 11:56:06 PM
Stay away from stream or your be redoing the server at some point use alma linux or rocky linux
Title: Re: Future of CWP?
Post by: Starburst on July 08, 2022, 12:33:42 AM
Agreed, use AlmaLinux or Rocky Linux 8.6 with CWPpro.

But you do have to disable the CWP repo, so stop incompatibilities with release versions.

Quote from: Martins-phpbb on July 07, 2022, 11:56:06 PM
Stay away from stream or your be redoing the server at some point use alma linux or rocky linux
Title: Re: Future of CWP?
Post by: Alexk92 on July 08, 2022, 09:42:21 AM
Thank you so much everyone for the info. I will give it a shot with Almalinux and fingers crossed everything will work out  ;D
Title: Re: Future of CWP?
Post by: Shafire on July 08, 2022, 10:35:11 AM
Maybe using centos 8 stream is bad advice, i just installed another cwp web server using centos 8 stream now i am thinking of deleting centos 8 stream and installing rocky linux as i have 1 web server now with almalinux. This is all so confusing, CWP need to support rocky and alma linux and drop the rest?

If you use alamalinux after updating you may need to do this: http://forum.centos-webpanel.com/index.php?topic=12143.msg41887#new

Not tried rockylinux yet going to try tomorrow not enough time to do anything today, i need to reinstall the web server i setup last night using centos 8 stream as it is not long term supported i think.
Title: Re: Future of CWP?
Post by: Starburst on July 08, 2022, 03:22:03 PM
If you need help with AlmaLInux 8.6, let me know.
We also have the latest Dovecot (2.3.x), MariaDB (10.8.x) and Apache 2.4.54 running.

Rocky Linux did have some libraries missing last time I checked. Hopefully they fixed that by now.

Quote from: Shafire on July 08, 2022, 10:35:11 AM
Maybe using centos 8 stream is bad advice, i just installed another cwp web server using centos 8 stream now i am thinking of deleting centos 8 stream and installing rocky linux as i have 1 web server now with almalinux. This is all so confusing, CWP need to support rocky and alma linux and drop the rest?

If you use alamalinux after updating you may need to do this: http://forum.centos-webpanel.com/index.php?topic=12143.msg41887#new

Not tried rockylinux yet going to try tomorrow not enough time to do anything today, i need to reinstall the web server i setup last night using centos 8 stream as it is not long term supported i think.
Title: Re: Future of CWP?
Post by: Shafire on July 09, 2022, 12:40:29 AM
thanks will give rockylinux a go nice to play around with different stuff, always something to learn in the server config world.
Title: Re: Future of CWP?
Post by: Alexk92 on July 12, 2022, 07:42:51 AM
4 Days later on rockylinux and cwp pro everything seems stable despite still being a newbie  :D
Title: Re: Future of CWP?
Post by: Starburst on July 12, 2022, 09:29:52 PM
Just make sure you have these packages installed: perl-DBD-MySQL libuuid-devel

Or you could see some weird thing down the road.
They 'should' be install automatically by CWP, but somehow, sometimes get missed.

We also run: dnf install perl-DBD-MySQL libuuid-devel m4 pcre-devel pcre libtool zlib-devel uuid uuid-devel
On new servers, just to be safe.
Title: Re: Future of CWP?
Post by: Shafire on July 14, 2022, 10:56:13 PM
Quote from: Starburst on July 12, 2022, 09:29:52 PM
Just make sure you have these packages installed: perl-DBD-MySQL libuuid-devel

Or you could see some weird thing down the road.
They 'should' be install automatically by CWP, but somehow, sometimes get missed.

We also run: dnf install perl-DBD-MySQL libuuid-devel m4 pcre-devel pcre libtool zlib-devel uuid uuid-devel
On new servers, just to be safe.

My rockylinux server seems a little faster.
Title: Re: Future of CWP?
Post by: Shafire on July 14, 2022, 11:02:16 PM
Quote from: Shafire on July 14, 2022, 10:56:13 PM
Quote from: Starburst on July 12, 2022, 09:29:52 PM
Just make sure you have these packages installed: perl-DBD-MySQL libuuid-devel

Or you could see some weird thing down the road.
They 'should' be install automatically by CWP, but somehow, sometimes get missed.

We also run: dnf install perl-DBD-MySQL libuuid-devel m4 pcre-devel pcre libtool zlib-devel uuid uuid-devel
On new servers, just to be safe.


My rockylinux server seems a little faster.
Is this correct?:
 run this command:
dnf install perl-DBD-MySQL libuuid-devel m4 pcre-devel pcre libtool zlib-devel uuid uuid-devel

any other useful commands regarding this issue? i think i may of installed it already but going to try again just in case. Are the admins even monitoring this forum?

Title: Re: Future of CWP?
Post by: Starburst on July 15, 2022, 03:19:21 AM
That command line is correct.
If a package is already installed, it will tell you and won't reinstall it.

Admins monitor the forums, but are busy doing what they do.

We have bene using CWPpro for over 2 years, so if it's happened, we've probably seen it.
That being said, it's computers, and even some stuff doesn't make any sense to us either (works on every other server, except 1)
Title: Re: Future of CWP?
Post by: overseer on January 07, 2023, 11:18:56 PM
Let me chime in and say, I'm totally on board the CWP train for any of my servers that need LAMP/LEMP functionality (i.e. general purpose web server). It has enabled me to ditch the monthly cPanel tax, as its cPanel -> CWP migration feature, while not flawless was functional. So over the last several years I have become more and more familiar with its internal plumbing, after being on cPanel/WHM for the last decade before that. So while there are some bugs and issues, it is totally workable and affordable.

Even with Red Hat pulling the rug out from under us with CentOS support ending, we have viable alternatives with RockyLinux and AlmaLinux. (I don't really count CentOS 8 Stream being a viable alternative to the stability and long term support offered by CentOS 6 and now CentOS 7.) So I look forward to migrating to either Rocky or Alma before June 2024 when CentOS 7 is EOL.

So welcome to CWP -- enjoy the ride!
Title: Re: Future of CWP?
Post by: PakPos on January 08, 2023, 08:10:51 AM
+1 cwp


good enough
little worried about backup restore
and.... quota problem for KVM Almalinux


overall


price is good enough




-1 billing system :(




and looklike they lack of staff member, not like the beginning this cwp expand ( as i can read on old thread)
Title: Re: Future of CWP?
Post by: shoulders on February 21, 2023, 01:46:46 PM
I am not experienced at linux but I am good with windows and PHP programming.

My CWP Pro is on CentOS 7 and I have to do a workaround to install HTTP2 because the OpenSSL libraries are no longer updated.

Obviously CentOS7 should no longer be the standard base OS to install CWP on.

I am still confused which OS to use Rocky/Alma Linux and if there are any know compatibility issues now or predicted in the future. I am not sure that CentOS Delayed is the way to go because it is a testing bridge for redhat.

Does anyone have in-depth knowledge on which one OS I should choose and why?

Thanks
Title: Re: Future of CWP?
Post by: Starburst on February 22, 2023, 05:01:42 AM
AlmaLinux is the best choice for now.

But I have gotten FED UP with these programmers.
PHP 7.4 EOL was NO surprise to anyone.
Neither is the EOL of PHP 8.1.x in another year.
The EOL of CentOS 7 or 8 wasn't a surprise either.

AlmaLinux 9.1 has been in beta, RC and has been in production use for over 6 months.

Yet programmers REFUSE to update scripts, add-ons, control panels, etc. for PHP 8.1.x or RHEL/AlmaLinux 9.1.
And then are condescending in their replies.

Just cancelled WHMCS due to that.
Out of the blue, without any changes, it came up with a SSL Warning that a certificate wasn't installed under System Health, yet it was, and verified.
But WHMCS had a link to purchase a SSL from them. What a surprise.
Their condescending support can back with make sure you are typing HTTPS, not HTTP... OMG.

And their only close competition WiseCP "only supports PHP 7.4".
While EVERY programmer keeps blaming "ionCube". That horse is dead. Them stop encrypting your code using it.

Yes, it's been one of those days.
</end rant>
Title: Re: Future of CWP?
Post by: shoulders on February 22, 2023, 09:56:38 AM
@Starburst - Yeh lot of programmers have not made the changes for PHP8.x, I don't think it is that difficult.

I found some useful links that might help:


AlmaLinux is supported by

So I too will play with this one first.

Not done this yet but very easy to upgrade CentOS 7 to Alma (or other RHEL based distos) using almas software. Just follow the link in the FAQ on the home page for more info and instructions.
Title: Re: Future of CWP?
Post by: PakPos on February 23, 2023, 12:09:33 AM
Quote from: Martins-phpbb on July 07, 2022, 11:56:06 PM
Stay away from stream or your be redoing the server at some point use alma linux or rocky linux


+1


go for alma (i choose alma , not rocky... ref. from some forum on internet)
Title: Re: Future of CWP?
Post by: Martins-phpbb on February 24, 2023, 05:47:40 AM
I have an alma server and also look after a rocky server and i found  cwp seems to run and play better on alma.
Title: Re: Future of CWP?
Post by: PakPos on February 24, 2023, 08:34:25 AM
Quote from: Alexk92 on July 08, 2022, 09:42:21 AM
Thank you so much everyone for the info. I will give it a shot with Almalinux and fingers crossed everything will work out  ;D


it will work


i have zero knownledge about linux,
everything is good
except quota info for reseller :D



Title: Re: Future of CWP?
Post by: sva260 on February 24, 2023, 07:46:03 PM
 there no future ,
we asked to update PMA and roundcube and mod_security engine etc from longtime a ago , there no respond

CWP good panel and stable af but need a little work to upgrade and rework some functions


Title: Re: Future of CWP?
Post by: overseer on March 04, 2023, 04:09:28 PM
Rocky appears to be a rocky road indeed... I will be going with AlmaLinux. (Yet with my usage I actually could make do with the free licenses RedHat provides for RHEL. But now I refuse to use any of their OS products given that they have pulled the rug out from under us with CentOS. Burn me once...)

I'm not sure why the CWP devs are so concerned about IonCube encrypting their code. At its price point, it's more trouble to try to run a hacked copy than simply pay for it. Run some libs or code in the cloud (Azure) for CWP Pro. Just get us on a maintainable & secure track  with the PHP 8.x branch!
Title: Re: Future of CWP?
Post by: hill on June 20, 2023, 06:12:05 AM
Quote from: Martins-phpbb on July 07, 2022, 11:56:06 PM
Stay away from stream or your be redoing the server at some point use alma linux or rocky linux

why rocky linux tho?
Title: Re: Future of CWP?
Post by: overseer on June 22, 2023, 03:18:49 AM
AlmaLinux and Rocky Linux both offer migration paths. Seemingly, AlmaLinux offers a more flexible migration script, but Rocky would be workable by my reading. CentOS Stream is a dead end for a server: a rolling release that will never truly stabilize, no matter how you try to pin a delayed repo. You continue to ride the whitewater, forever.
Title: Re: Future of CWP?
Post by: sadietomzs on July 22, 2023, 07:40:45 AM
We also run: dnf install perl-DBD-MySQL libuuid-devel m4 pcre-devel pcre libtool zlib-devel uuid uuid-devel
On new servers, just to be safe.
Title: Re: Future of CWP?
Post by: Starburst on July 22, 2023, 03:16:21 PM
AlmaLinux is currently the best option for package support, since they are basically CloudLinux.

But with what just happened a little while ago with RedHat, everything is up in the air.
I hate to say it, but Rocky may go the way of Mandrake.
Title: Re: Future of CWP?
Post by: overseer on July 22, 2023, 07:04:56 PM
I'm totally fine with Alma & Rocky not being 1:1 bug compatible with RHEL. If they are slight laggards and just use EL as a reference platform, it seems totally workable and a better option than CentOS Stream. They are making a go of it and are working hard to bring updates in from disparate sources (UBI container images, cloud instances running RHEL, etc.)

https://rockylinux.org/news/keeping-open-source-open/ (https://rockylinux.org/news/keeping-open-source-open/)
https://rockylinux.org/news/brave-new-world-path-forward/ (https://rockylinux.org/news/brave-new-world-path-forward/)
https://almalinux.org/blog/future-of-almalinux/ (https://almalinux.org/blog/future-of-almalinux/)
Title: Re: Future of CWP?
Post by: shoulders on July 23, 2023, 08:26:50 AM
If using Alma or Rocky becomes a problem, CWP should consider moving to Ubuntu.
Title: Re: Future of CWP?
Post by: overseer on July 23, 2023, 02:09:38 PM
My straw vote would be Debian proper for a major failover backup plan. Of course, targeting Debian should get you broad compatibility with other Debian-derived OSes such as Ubuntu.

But the whole RHEL kerfuffle has caused me to re-survey the landscape and I will now re-evaluate SUSE, which I last used back in the early 2000s. It would seemingly be the best direct alternative to the EL branch of distros, since it too qualifies as a conservative enterprise distro.
Title: Re: Future of CWP?
Post by: shoulders on July 23, 2023, 02:34:19 PM
All software for Linux is now moving towards Ubuntu. 99% of Linux software packages seem to have at least an Ubuntu install package and everyone has heard of it.

But I will definitely watch this space as I am more a windows man than Linux, yet!!!
Title: Re: Future of CWP?
Post by: Starburst on July 23, 2023, 05:30:30 PM
Quote from: shoulders on July 23, 2023, 08:26:50 AM
If using Alma or Rocky becomes a problem, CWP should consider moving to Ubuntu.

Ubuntu is equal to Stream. It's a beta version to Debian.

NOT for production use.

Only Debian is used in production environments for stability.
Title: Re: Future of CWP?
Post by: Starburst on July 23, 2023, 05:33:33 PM
Quote from: overseer on July 23, 2023, 02:09:38 PM
My straw vote would be Debian proper for a major failover backup plan. Of course, targeting Debian should get you broad compatibility with other Debian-derived OSes such as Ubuntu.

But the whole RHEL kerfuffle has caused me to re-survey the landscape and I will now re-evaluate SUSE, which I last used back in the early 2000s. It would seemingly be the best direct alternative to the EL branch of distros, since it too qualifies as a conservative enterprise distro.

There needs to be a good control panel for FreeBSD.

It's the only operating system since the beginning that hasn't had any problems.

Again, Leave it up to IBM to mess things up.
Title: Re: Future of CWP?
Post by: overseer on July 24, 2023, 02:29:42 AM
Ajenti has always been on my list of a panel to try, and it has experimental support for FreeBSD:
https://support.ajenti.org/knowledge-bases/5/articles/1131-installing-on-freebsd-experimental (https://support.ajenti.org/knowledge-bases/5/articles/1131-installing-on-freebsd-experimental)

And of course, Webmin runs on FreeBSD:
https://computingforgeeks.com/how-to-install-webmin-on-freebsd/ (https://computingforgeeks.com/how-to-install-webmin-on-freebsd/)

And maybe you would count TrueNAS (née FreeNAS) as a web GUI for admin duties for FreeBSD, but of course, it's more LAN storage-focused, but I could imagine extending it to include other server duties.
Title: Re: Future of CWP?
Post by: shoulders on July 24, 2023, 08:31:36 AM
This is my list of cPanel alternatives

https://quantumwarp.com/kb/articles/64-cpanel/1001-cpanel-alternatives-and-linux-web-interfaces

I still have a few to add but any that I have missed I can add.
Title: Re: Future of CWP?
Post by: overseer on July 24, 2023, 02:00:08 PM
Thanks, that's a nice comprehensive list! I haven't surveyed the landscape in at least 5 years. Back when I migrated out of cPanel land, CWP was the obvious choice because it provided the clearest, most direct transition path from expen$$$ive cPanel servers over to my own dedicated servers with CWP Pro.

If starting up a new server fresh, I may give that list a more comprehensive look and test drive some of the other alternative panels. Certainly a dedicated server could do with one of the other panels vs. one that supports reselling. But a lot of it comes down to the knowledge base of the admin and how much down-n-dirty behind the panel work is required to configure & keep it running smoothly.
Title: Re: Future of CWP?
Post by: sadietomzs on November 20, 2023, 09:12:03 AM
I have an alma server and also look after a rocky server and i found  cwp seems to run and play better on alma.
plus whatsapp (http://"https://waplus.win/")

project free tv (http://"https://projectfreetv.onl/")
Title: Re: Future of CWP?
Post by: Starburst on November 20, 2023, 06:43:31 PM
It does for 2 reasons.

1. AlmaLinux is basically the free version of CloudLinux.
(Allot of developers work on both projects)

2. For some odd reason Rocky is missing some binaries.